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Should Britain bring back the death penalty?

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3 years ago by Rory Clark in Politics > Other

In the UK, the last use of capital punishment was by hanging in 1964, but the death penalty was only officially abolished in all circumstances in 1998. There are still many countries that use capital punishment to this day such as: China, India, USA, Egypt, Libya, Botswana or Somalia. What is your personal opinion on the death penalty? Would you see it brought back into the legal system?

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M.  Hughes

China is slowly backing away from the death penalty, sp has the USA over the last 30 years. Yes, India has the death penalty but only in name. They reserve the right to, as far as I know. Should Britain bring back the death penalty? I think it would be a step backwards.

3 years ago by M. Hughes

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bryanevans

I'd say do it. And if there is a referendum on this issue, capital punishment would be back. But they're too scared to do it. That's democracy in '14.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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The Oracle

The crowds could be baying for it (i don't think they are) but that is no reason to bring back capital punishment. Well over 100 countries (I think over 130) have tried and stopped capital punishment. Britain had the death penalty for many years, and finally it was stopped but people observed it for a long time and came to the conclusion that it was just not a good idea. We should be learning from our past mistakes instead of repeating them.

3 years ago by The Oracle

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bryanevans

I might well lose friends over this, but I don't care. As a society wev gone soft and that is the reason that everyone is running roughshod over us. We can't afford that anymore.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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Penner

Bring it on Evans don't be a tease.

3 years ago by Penner

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bryanevans

Alright I will. What reason do criminals have to stop? Lets just think about it for a moment. They have a cushy life waiting in jail, everything paid for, television, libraries. They have privileges, so much so that inmates that are released want to go back to the slammer. But if the price is death, then you have a powerful deterrent. Im not advocating the death penalty for any old crime, I'm advocating the death penalty for murder, and heinous rape. Those people have no place in our society. And they should know that they are going to pay an ultimate price if they are going that way.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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Frisbee

I agree. Actually there was a big discussion on here a few months back.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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Keep D Change

No we shouldn't of course. One of the strongest arguments is the many errors in conviction that are made. The guy gets killed and a while later they discover; Oh, he was innocent actually. Too late!
The other thing that I think is totally fallacious is the argument of 'prison is easy' I've never spent a night in prison, but prison is sheer hell. Listen to the guys & women that have been there. There are people that feel it is worse than the death penalty. Prisoners are left alone with their thoughts, they are isolated and afraid and very unhappy, so they have only one goal, get out as soon as humanly possible.

3 years ago by Keep D Change

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Frisbee

Ehm compared to death, why does every prisoner then choose life? Why do you think they appeal non stop for clemency or what you call it? Prisoners will still write letters until their fingers r bruised so they can stay in that cell 1 week longer. So that's just not true, sorry. O prison is hell, it's so terrible. Criminals re-offend in order to get back to prison. Prison is its own little world with a lot of social interaction tv and entertainment. Check it out if you don't believe me.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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bryanevans

Our Justice system is fair. That argument is raised in America, and fair enough, a number of people were put behind bars that were innocent, mostly black people. We do not have a jury situation where prejudice gets in the way. So I personally don't see that argument applying here, sorry.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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Sagalicious

No!

3 years ago by Sagalicious

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Frisbee

Britain should reserve the right to use capital punishment. As an ultimate threat. Some people only understand a stick and prison is no threat for some people. What about serial killers, and war criminals and mass murderers? Now we put them in prison and feed them peas and chicken steak. People like Ian Bradey should have been put to death. He does not deserve to live.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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M.  Hughes

Debate on the death penalty will likely never cease, as the penalty has such a prominent place in our history. It seems to me that everyone needs to consider these facts however:
1. 139 Countries have, after ample debate and consideration as well as experience, abandoned the practice.
2. The death penalty violates international human rights law.
3. There is no proof, and considering that we are now in 2014 this proof may never emerge, that the death penalty has any power of deterrence. In other words, the knowledge that the criminal shall have to pay with his life for his deeds does not keep the criminal from committing the crime. If the penalty would be such an effective threat, there would be evidence of its power of deterrence.

3 years ago by M. Hughes

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bryanevans

People fear the death penalty. That's just common sense. You would and I would too. No statistics can argue with that. And given the choice what will criminals choose? Prison. So we are giving them what they want: brilliant.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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Debbie Anderson

I'm actually not in favour of capital punishment. We are a better society since it's been abolished, but yet there are certain things that prison does not accomplish. I'd say that capital punishment brings closure. The family of the murdered victims get closure, a life for a life, that person will never be on the street again, never be able to hurt anyone again. But also for the murderer, they often start to think and feel remorse when they know that their life will be ending and they only have a very short time left.

Prison never seems to bring that sort of closure.

I would say it's very important that things like the death penalty get applied when there is positive proof that the person is guilty, otherwise innocent people get executed which is a crime in itself.

3 years ago by Debbie Anderson

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Frisbee

Good point

3 years ago by Frisbee

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Sagalicious

That is easily solved. Put people in jail without release option. I am actually in favour of limiting privileges. This would make prison a bigger threat. Death penalty is not an option. Mistakes i convictions are made. Think of the Paradise Lost case.

3 years ago by Sagalicious

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Frisbee

I never heard of that. I have-not lived long enough maybe.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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Sagalicious

Have a look

3 years ago by Sagalicious

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Rahul  N.

Hi Rory, where do you stand on the death penalty? Do you think it should make a come-back?

3 years ago by Rahul N.

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Rory Clark

No. I don't believe in the law nor the idea of justice.

3 years ago by Rory Clark

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Rahul  N.

So you would class yourself an anarchist

3 years ago by Rahul N.

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Rory Clark

I would like to see an anarchistic society, yes. But I don't necessarily class myself as an anarchist as my beliefs go beyond political matters. However I fully understand if others want to label me an anarchist.

3 years ago by Rory Clark

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Rahul  N.

Anarchy is ideal, if it can be practically managed. So is your philosophy martial arts related?

3 years ago by Rahul N.

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Rory Clark

What do you mean by practically managed? And I suppose you could link a lot of my ideas to Bruce Lee's philosophy, such as being formless/shapeless and not following a set pattern or structure as they only control and restrain you (the law and government).

3 years ago by Rory Clark

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Rahul  N.

I mean that not everyone is easily brought yo the same wavelength. Some people are not used to take responsibility for themselves, so when everyone is left free, these would take the piss in a major way. If people are not used to restrictions, if there is no 'self rule', then anarchy is not a good idea. And because self control cannot be imposed, anarchy remains a bit of a utopian idea.

3 years ago by Rahul N.

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Rory Clark

But is that not what absolute freedom is? To have no rights and wrongs? It would be every man for himself, and those who banded together for power and control would quickly be stripped down by the millions of individuals, unless of course some of those individuals also decided to form a group and the two groups started fighting. Hmm doesn't that sound familiar?... People will never be on the same wavelength as we are individuals, maybe it would be better if we were ants, but we're not. Anarchy would be chaos, but it would be free, fair amoral and liberating.

3 years ago by Rory Clark

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M.  Hughes

Anarchy has a chance of working if nations are subdivided into small communities. These could decide by vote when there are big decisions such as whether to allow a bridge or road. I'm not sure that this would work in our present urban sphere, but it works well for certain tribal communities. Many times it is assumed that anarchy is synonymous with chaos, but that is not always the case.

3 years ago by M. Hughes

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Rory Clark

What you described isn't anarchy.

3 years ago by Rory Clark

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Pete Davies

Yes for Simon Cowell :)

3 years ago by Pete Davies

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Miley Cyrus

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She is american

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3 years ago by James Ellis

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Frisbee

Very amusing you all are (n o t).The death penalty would also be a lot more economic. Many people say that the death penalty is more expensive, but that is because of how things work in the USA with appeal after appeal and lawyers etc.. If the sentence would actually be carried out fast and not after 30 years, it would be a lot more economic. Some might say this is not about money, but today legions of criminals are sitting in jail and the population have to carry them financially through tax money. Another objection to the death sentence is that many criminals are executed and afterwards it is discovered that they were innocent. I would say to this that if the death penalty would return it should only be applied where there is very convincing proof, such as in the case of a Luka Magnotta and people like that.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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The Oracle

It sounds like what you're saying is justice without appeals and without lawyers being able to challenge. That my friend Fris does not sound like any sort of justice. We're in a democracy here.

3 years ago by The Oracle

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M.  Hughes

Efforts may be made to ensure that criminal cases are proven beyond reasonable doubt, but the issue of legal representation can not be ignored. Suspects from lower income groups will not be able to get the defence they need, whether they be guilty or innocent. Important evidence in the defence of the suspect, in the case of a marginal defence budget, may not surface or even be recognised, which may lead, and in many cases has led to, wrongful conviction. As evidence of the convict's innocence or of the real culprit's guilt emerges, the innocent party is duly set free and may receive some sort of compensation. When however the death penalty was carried out, such amends can not be made, except to surviving relatives. Wrongful convictions are common even with today's forensic standards, and many such cases can be accessed and researched by anyone with an interest to do so.

3 years ago by M. Hughes

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bryanevans

I think what your saying outlines the ills of systems other than the UK system.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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jessicalaurenadams

No, however I do believe that parole should be banned for prisoners serving life sentences for serious crimes.

3 years ago by jessicalaurenadams

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bryanevans

Better than letting them out at age 43. The families, and sometimes the whole country freaks out and sure enough, they re-offend. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345078/Number-prisoners-offend-released-licence-far-higher-know-admits-parole-board-boss.html

3 years ago by bryanevans

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Linda Wilson

I don't think that's a smart idea

3 years ago by Linda Wilson

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Sagalicious

Innocent people would be killed. Its math. That is not justice. Prosecutors make misrakes. Witnesses make mistakes. The system is not full proof. In the last decades 130 people from death row had to be released.

3 years ago by Sagalicious

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Frisbee

Now Pakistan just reinstated the death penalty. Their must feel that to clothe house and feed these animals for the rest of their lives is more than they are prepared for eh..

3 years ago by Frisbee

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Niti C

Fair enough that you bringing this up Fris, but this is just a knee jerk reaction. You can't use this as an argument because its just a spur-of-moment reaction. Mohandas Gandhi said: An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind. Answering violence with violence will cause more violence.

3 years ago by Niti C

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bryanevans

Not only fair enough but true enough as well. This barbarism is what we see in the real world. If a surgeon sees a gangrene infested arm, and septic poison in the persons system, what are they going to do you think? They will amputate that limb or the whole body will be infected and die. That is how you deal with barbarism and war crimes and the like. By taking life you lose the right to yours. That is the only way people are going to RESPECT life. Im tired of woolly liberals making our law & changing our laws. And its the youngsters that have to pay the price, it's disgusting.

3 years ago by bryanevans

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that-acorn-girl

heres my idea< choose an uninhabited island,fence the place off. send all the murderers there. let them do with each wot they want. make a reality tv show about it to for expenses. call it oz:)

3 years ago by that-acorn-girl

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BENJAMIN

HERE'S A THOUGHT AS WELL. FIRST OF ALL I DONT BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY. BUT HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN WAR AND REJECT THE DEATH PENALTY. WAR SAYS: YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOUR COUNTRY HAS DONE. THE DEATH PENALTY SAYS: YOU WILL HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. WAR IS JUST KILLING ON A LARGER SCALE.

3 years ago by BENJAMIN

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Pete Davies

Dude that is completely a different thing altogether. With war there is supposed to be an imminent threat. Attack comes your way, you fight the enemy to protect your country. That's to ward off danger. The death penalty is after the crime as retribution. War is to prevent something from happening. So yea it's a thought as well but not all is well with the thought ;p

3 years ago by Pete Davies

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BENJAMIN

THATS NO LONGER TRUE THOUGH. WE NOW APPLY THE DEATH PENALTY WITHOUT THREAT AND EVEN WITHOUT ANY CRIME COMMITTED. WE JUST DRONE & KILL TO THROW OUR WEIGHT AROUND.

3 years ago by BENJAMIN

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Frisbee

If you would catch Umar Mansoor you would let him live, and house him in a prison. It makes no sense to me. How is that just for the parents and siblings of all those children (feeling sad)?

3 years ago by Frisbee

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Sabrina

Certainly not

3 years ago by Sabrina

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Iam LmnOP

I can't believe this discussion is still going. No you're not having it. That's final. Off to bed!

3 years ago by Iam LmnOP

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Frisbee

In this Luka Magnotta case for instance too, you have a cannibal killer mentalist who will do anything. They are going to feed and house him for the next 25 years. For cases like this the death penalty should be a resort. The punishment is just in no way proportionate to the crime. Sorry to harp on, many people feel this way.

3 years ago by Frisbee

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robbie_t

NO!! I would emigrate.

3 years ago by robbie_t

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Braden  Kelly

i oppose this motion!

3 years ago by Braden Kelly

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pig in the rain

The legal system can be relied upon across the nations to do one thing: fail. It succeeds too, but it fails aplenty. Thats why any move to reinstate the death penalty is stupid and reckless.

3 years ago by pig in the rain

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