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RAHUL N.

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Labour, we have a Corblem..

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1 year ago by Rahul N. in Current > Politics

Let me take a stand; I'm opposed. Corbyn is aggressively pushed by the trade unions because he suits their agendas. Thousands of people have been phoned up and asked to register as members and vote for Corbyn, so the reports say anyway. My problem is not so much with Corbyn as a person, but with Labour left. Fact is that Labour will not get into power without convincing Tory voters to switch. There is no chance of that happening with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm because he is an old-style socialist-Marxist and pretty much inflexible with all of that to boot. It will not work nationally. And we all that support Labour want to see Labour back in government. It's the only chance for a fairer society.

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Niti C

My feeling is people don't see a better or stronger candidate. Who do you suggest Rahul, who would you vote for

1 year ago by Niti C

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James Ellis

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1 year ago by James Ellis

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bryanevans

Lord Cokebrain Sewell actually said it better than most: In favour of immigration and welfare spending, he's a romantic idiot.

1 year ago by bryanevans

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Princess Geena

One thing I like that he does is he has these town hall meetings and he really listens to people and talks face to face he really takes time for people and there ideas and there problems.

1 year ago by Princess Geena

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Old man Ehlers

This is unprecedented. If you talk about a time machibe, ghis seems to ve going back to the period of the 1960s

1 year ago by Old man Ehlers

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that-acorn-girl

Jeremy Corbyn is def on his way. Give the guy a chance. When did we last have an anti corruption leader? I'm not labour but its interesting.

1 year ago by that-acorn-girl

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Nicole C

So if not Labour what do you support? Actually I think Corbyn has a very good chance of becoming the next PM not just Labour leader. Interesting that even Clarke said so yesterday. Im pasting a quote here from the Independent. “Don’t underestimate Jeremy Corbyn,” Mr Clarke, who has served as the Chancellor and Home Secretary, told The Huffington Post.

“If you have another recession or if the Conservative Government becomes very unpopular, he could win,” he added.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Pete Davies

It's the weirdest thing I've seen in politics so far. So far this whole year tips the apple cart. Nit that Iv seen much haha. SNP victory, and this story. Like..isn't someone like Jeremy Corbyn going be in opposition all his life? Opposition in his own party I mean lol.

1 year ago by Pete Davies

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bryanevans

By now we know that he'll win it. He's a rock star for Labour kids. A very badly dressed one.

1 year ago by bryanevans

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Pete Davies

Yea whats this about Jeremy Corbyn being so sexy lol

1 year ago by Pete Davies

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Nicole C

It's not weird its just people being tired of being played. Tired of fake cynical politics. Jeremy Corbyn is tired of it and he's the accidental hero. He never compromised to get here.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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1 year ago by Norman

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Dylan Strain

24% voted for Tories in May. Labour need 5% swing in next election. Corbyn offers hope. NHS, trains, energy tp be made publicly owned, create jobs (especially in North), no austerity, no student fees, what is not to like? New Labour is dead now for me. Corbyn has been true to beliefs for 32 years as an MP. He's the real deal.

1 year ago by Dylan Strain

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Iam LmnOP

I know he's the real deal. I'm just worried about the renationalisation plans. I don't think it's good for the country as a whole. He is genuine, has some good ideas, but I think he wants to resurrect the 70s

1 year ago by Iam LmnOP

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Rahul  N.

Yes that's my problem. As a pragmatic socialist your beliefs may stay the same but your policies have to evolve. Corbin's don't.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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@159gricer

Labour needs to get back to its working class roots and listen to the whole country and not ignore us west of Bristol for example. They wonder why they only have one seat in the South West and it is not surprising.
Corbyn is the best of the bunch, the others going back to the Blairite era.
The country would be in a greater mess if it were not for the steady stewardship of Gordon Brown saving the banks from themselves and their greed. Cameron and his cronies are starting to set them free on the cheap. You can guarantee that the Tories will blame Labour if this all goes pear shaped, what a surprise.
Good leadership of Labour going forward would be, in my opinion, Jeremy Corbyn as leader and Ben Bradshaw as deputy. Two very experienced politicians who will guide things well.

1 year ago by @159gricer

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robbie_t

Do we have any Labour party members here?

1 year ago by robbie_t

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Old man Ehlers

I'm not, as some of you may know. Labour has pasted itself into a corner. The base are alienated now because Labour has lost direction, and now what you see is the same as a corrupted computer program: restore to an earlier version. The problem with the earlier version is that it does not fit the present need or the present age.

1 year ago by Old man Ehlers

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Br0dude

I think Jeremy is alright, he's shaking up d party & all d panic is just ppl panicking over ther own careers & nothin else

1 year ago by Br0dude

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Rahul  N.

Well he's shaking things up, nobody can accuse him of not doing so. There's little doubt that there is a major identity crisis in the party, but my problem is that the whole Corbyn thing will turn Labour into a cult movement. A very old fashioned cult movement with little appeal to the general public. It's just a very vocal and enthusiastic minority that loves Corbyn's ideas.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Nicole C

10 REASONS TO VOTE FOR JEREMY CORBYN
1 35 economists have backed his policies
2 most people agree on re-nationalising the railways
3 He is a great believer in democracy
4 Blair & Miliband don't want him to be leader
5 He does not play dirty politics
6 The 2 biggest unions support him
7 He will collect tax from the super rich and multi nationals
8 He opposes nuclear weapons
9 He was the lowest expense claiming MP
10 He wants to cut tuition fees
(And he bitch slapped Margaret Thatcher!!!!!!!)

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Tracey Howell

Good points. Russell Brand has joined the Corbyn bandwagon now.

1 year ago by Tracey Howell

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Frisbee

He slapped Thatcher how??

1 year ago by Frisbee

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Rahul  N.

He didn't slap her; he strongly questioned her about the conditions in london. You can find the video online: Corbyn-Thatcher.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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voice-of-reason

One thing I observe with the Corbyn campaign is that most supporters arguments are personal or emotional rather than economical.

1 year ago by voice-of-reason

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Rahul  N.

Good article in the FT by Janan Ganesh:

Sometimes things are as simple as they seem. There is no profit in searching for complexity or perverse consequences in events that can only play out one way. Contrarians, stand down.
If a socialist peacenik becomes leader of Britain’s Labour party on September 12, it is not somehow a problem for the Conservatives, too. Tories high-fiving each other at the prospect of facing Jeremy Corbyn should not “be careful what they wish for”. They should not “reflect” on what his sensational climb “means” and “engage” with his “movement”. They do not “underestimate” him, they estimate him correctly — that is, derisively. There are no hidden dimensions or unconsidered angles here.

Tellingly, none of the supposed traps awaiting a complacent Tory party include the possibility that Mr Corbyn might actually win a general election. Even the bravest contrarian will not make that mental leap. Instead, the theory goes, a weak opposition will free Conservative malcontents to hound Prime Minister David Cameron without restraint. Also predicted is the flourishing of a continental-style extra-parliamentary left whose strikes and protests will enervate the government over time, just as Margaret Thatcher succumbed to civil disorder.

Neither of these hazards are real. Even if they are, they will be as nothing next to the lasting toxicity of Labour electing the unelectable.
It is now customary to identify a serious opposition as the one adhesive capable of keeping the mutinous Tories together. Only fear of the enemy stops this wobbly team of market liberals, reactionaries and monomaniacal eurosceptics from cracking up. This is sound in theory. It is belied by experience. The Conservatives were most divided in the mid-1990s, when Labour was led formidably by Tony Blair. And their great age of bonhomie was the 1950s, when their opponents fell apart over economics and the bomb.
Political parties do not need outside assistance to behave stupidly, or well. The Tories may pound each other to a bloodied stupor over Europe in the coming years but that will have nothing to do with Labour. Their rebels are self-motivating, thank you very much.

As for the popular insurrection against austerity, your columnist invites you to wake him up when it happens. Students and trade unions will march through London, but then they always do. Mr Corbyn will rouse dog-on-a-string radicals at folk music festivals in the West Country. None of this will congeal into a national movement that draws in swing voters. Britons have had five years to revolt against Mr Cameron and his fiscal policy. As ever, they have proven to be a terrible disappointment to the left’s moral visionaries.

Habitual protesters show a blend of narcissism and innumeracy: a belief that tens of thousands of trudging comrades reveal anything about a nation of 62m. Contrary to their vainglorious recollection, Mrs Thatcher was not brought down by poll tax riots but by her inability to hang on to a chancellor of the exchequer and the trust of her MPs. The mayhem in Trafalgar Square in 1990 was a proximate cause, not the source, of her fall, which was already in train.
Even if the clever-clever analysis is right, and Mr Corbyn lulls Tories out of their discipline while captaining a revolution, this does not account for the damage done to Labour. The mere act of choosing the most extreme leader in its history might be impossible to live down. He can resign immediately on September 12 but the harm to Labour’s good name will still be measured in years. For a generation of swing voters, Labour will always be the party that elected “that guy”, and only ever one rush of blood to the head away from another folly. Anyone who thinks the election of Mr Corbyn is anything but a huge net benefit to the Conservatives is trying very, very hard to be interesting.
The enemy of sound political judgment is the desire for distinctiveness. Commentators sometimes parse straightforward events for surprising nuances or daring new angles because it makes for good copy. But it is better to be right than original. No, a Corbynite Labour party will not cause trouble for the Tories. Mr Cameron will not find him a confounding adversary across the parliamentary dispatch box. Demonstrations will not shake the government. They will not even shake the streets they are held on. Politics will not be reinvented. Mr Corbyn is not “on to something” with his critique of capitalism and western foreign policy. This is a passing commotion whose principal victims are the millions of low-paid Britons who need a serious party of the centre-left.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Rahul  N.

This says everything I want to say only much better.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Tracey Howell

Good piece....

1 year ago by Tracey Howell

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Rahul  N.

Corbyn, you would not expect me to say, has actually managed to unite the Labour establishment....
in panic and alarm :)

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Rahul  N.

It looks like this title is still current. A new survey says

Almost three in four people do not believe that Jeremy Corbyn looks like a prime minister-in-waiting, according to a poll for The Independent.

A survey of 2,000 people found that Mr Corbyn’s election as Labour leader has made one in five people who voted for his party at the May general election more likely to vote Conservative next time. Some 37 per cent of Labour voters say they are less likely to back the party at the next election.

The survey, conducted on Wednesday and Thursday, found only 28 per cent of people agree with the statement “Jeremy Corbyn looks like a prime minister-in-waiting”, while 72 per cent disagree.

Even those groups Mr Corbyn is championing seem to doubt his credentials as a leader of the country. A majority (67 per cent) of those in the bottom DE social group do not see him as prime ministerial. Nor do 68 per cent of public sector workers. People who voted Labour in May are divided: 53 per cent see him as a prime minister-in-waiting, while 47 per cent do not.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Rahul  N.

NO?? Really? How?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11888380/Jeremy-Corbyn-becomes-first-Labour-leader-ever-to-score-negative-debut-poll-rating.html The Corbyn voters are a socialist voting block, frustrated Green Party voters and anti establishment thinkers. That's great, but don't call that the Labour party. Please.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Nicole C

An opinion poll from the first month? You don't realise this is completely orchestrated by the media that are on a crusade against Jeremy Corbyn from coast to coast? I think everyone knows this, even primary school students.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Norman

The next thing is will he kneel down in front of the queen or will he refuse? If he refuses J Corbyn will be finished before he starts.

1 year ago by Norman

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Rahul  N.

Every leader will be scrutinised by polls at every stage. I'm sure that if the poll is positive it will be interpreted as proof of Jeremy Corbyn's great skill, just as when it's negative it's everybody else's fault. The fact is that all sorts of errors of judge,met are coming to light and these are affecting public opinion.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Mitchell Hill

I heard most of the speech. It's fair, they will have to come up with just a few ounces better in order to people's imagination on fire.

1 year ago by Mitchell Hill

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Iam LmnOP

I feel for the guy I really do. He's elected by idealists and then he to make it work in the real world.

1 year ago by Iam LmnOP

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Linda Wilson

What do you make of the privy situation? Corbin was too busy. I think he would have been more respected if he would just be honest that he does not want to bow before the queen. I think people respect frankness.

1 year ago by Linda Wilson

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Penner

He has been stripped now of that title Right Honourable and won't it be interesting to see how that plays out for him. My feeling anyhow is that his support is not with bringing the establishment to his side but by appealing to the 50% of people that don't vote. Many of them won't care much that he did not care to bow before the queen.

1 year ago by Penner

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Rahul  N.

...Or plays out against him.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Rahul  N.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34537346
Corbyn is an idealist and not a pragmatic politician. Or even a practical one.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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that-acorn-girl

I have to call BS here. Why is Corbyn appointing Seumas Milne??

1 year ago by that-acorn-girl

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Rahul  N.

The reason Corbyn will never have the appeal he needs is because he's out of touch, and emotionally stunted. Who saw his response on the Paris attacks? The most he would say was 'Well, it's sad' (but that's how it is, you could almost hear). No wonder his people are walking away from him. Another drop of 8% support. Some would think I gloat. No I'm a labour voter and I'm just sad. Sad to see what time it will cost to recover from the damage. Sad that this was seen as the very best option.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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BENJAMIN

THIS WHOLE SYRIA THING MIGHT END HIM BECAUSE HIS MPS ARE REBELLING AGAINST HIS NON ATTACK POSITION RITE. IT MAY B OVER FOR CORBIE

1 year ago by BENJAMIN

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Nicole C

Well I wonder what you all think about the by-election victory. That was a lot better than people were expecting, including those on Soapbox btw. Corbin must be doing something right. Skip was putting this already in their pocket but nope n0t so lucky after all. A good day for labour after all.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Norman

Catherine McKinnell also quits today. They cant afford any more of these

1 year ago by Norman

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Nicole C

Blabla I can't believe the nonsense posted here. If you wish Jeremy Corbyn dead just say yes I can't stand that he's party Leader and i wish him dead. Don't make up stupid stuff everyone knows is untrue. Jeremy's position in the party has been strengthened since the re shuffle. Just wait and see, it takes patience. I feel sad for all those people that expect him to go under by tomorrow. They are going to be so disappointed.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Rahul  N.

Can we now all agree that
1 Corbyn has no future as Labour leader?
2 That he has not strengthened Labour's position
3 That the anti semitism row has fatally damaged him

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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Nicole C

Hmm nope. Considering what happened this last week this election result isa vote of confidence. Including Khan being elected as mayor.

1 year ago by Nicole C

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Rahul  N.

172-40. NO I dont care about that says Jeremy, the people placed me here, not the Labour party. This loser has cost us all so dearly.

He did not want a Remain vote so he pissed all over his Remain campaign. He has alienated and disenfranchised his support base and in his cobwebbed mind he would still get the vote if there was another election. He does not realise he would be voted out in a NY minute.

1 year ago by Rahul N.

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that-acorn-girl

He was never given a fair chance from day1. He will leave the party I think and start his own or join the Greens cos this whole thing is bust.

1 year ago by that-acorn-girl

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Rahul  N.

So...do you think Owen Smith stands a chance? Can this race still turn? I say no it can't.

10 months ago by Rahul N.

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Nobody can eat 50 eggs

Owen Smith is about as charismatic as your average turnip. He's not going to get any votes.

10 months ago by Nobody can eat 50 eggs

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Rahul  N.

'mutton-headed mugwump' It actually took a Tory to express our feelings perfectly.

2 months ago by Rahul N.

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Yea rite

2 months ago by Rahul N.

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Debbie Anderson

I have very passionate Labour supporters in the family and i do feel really rotten for them.

2 months ago by Debbie Anderson

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Norman

You have been very quite off late Rahul. Have recent events caused you to rethink your opinion on Jeremy Corbyn?

1 month ago by Norman

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